As the tensions of race and cultures have increased this year, we often don't hear the good stories. Do not miss the light hearted, hilarious, and thought-provoking interview with Pastors Jay Stewart and Derrick Hawkins from the Refuge church. Their book, Welded: forming racial bonds that last, will be out in November 17th, 2020. The story of a white pastor and a black pastor welding two congregations together is beautiful. Of course, Candice and Natalie will provide many times for you to laugh while you listen as well as they use Michael Jackson's song "It don't matter if you're black or white" in the podcast.